Home | Tournaments | Calendar | Weather | Merchandise | Sponsors |
|
General Freediving Area If Apnea Diving rocks your world, talk about it here! |
|
Thread Tools | Rate Thread | Display Modes |
02-28-2006, 07:48 PM | #1 |
Justin
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: norcal
Posts: 1,729
|
technique questions
I have some questions about some of the things I do while freediving.
When I am on the surface I breathe slowly and deeply then on my last breath I make a few kicks to get my momentum going. At the same time I extend my belly, inhale, lift my shoulders (inhale more) and bend at the waste to start my descent. I don't hyperventilate any more. Do most of you guys still hyperventilate? How do you personally hyperventilate? I used to take took 3-4 rapid deep breaths. I would exhale so deeply that I would make a wheezing noise. Is that right? I have never seen anyone hyperventilating. Is there a video clip of someone doing it properly? On my decent I usually kick down 20-30 feet and then stop kicking and begin to freefall. Is it better to kick all the way down or does it use more O2 then it makes up for in speed? I set up my weight belt to be neutral at 20 feet. On the way up I stop kicking at about 15 feet and float to the surface. Is it better to kick all the way up? |
02-28-2006, 09:13 PM | #2 |
Registered User
|
Re: technique questions
if I hyperventilate at all its 2 breathes then hold on the 3rd. w/ a buddy watching.
I dive solo 90% of the time so I stick on the saftey side and just keep my breathing steady and calm. neutral at 20', kick down to around 30-40 and freefall the rest. resurfacing I stop kicking the last 15'.
__________________
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It turned out to be just a date and he ate my Cobia |
02-28-2006, 09:18 PM | #3 |
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: unfortunately kansas, but i go out to my boat all the time
Posts: 71
|
Re: technique questions
I take three fast deep breaths, then one fourth one, taking as much air as possible hold it then start my descent.
|
02-28-2006, 09:29 PM | #4 | |
Doug Reynolds
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Healdsburg, CA
Age: 75
Posts: 308
|
Re: technique questions
Quote:
When I hypeventilate I go through three deep exhale/inhale routines (sometimes wheezing on the exhale). When I dive, I kick until I start getting heavy (about 30 ft) then glide. I usually kick all the way up. |
|
03-01-2006, 12:23 PM | #5 | |
Justin
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: norcal
Posts: 1,729
|
Re: technique questions
Quote:
|
|
03-01-2006, 07:44 PM | #6 |
Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Tarpon Springs, FL
Posts: 862
|
Re: technique questions
I have a question as well. How do you guys train by "packing" breaths while in the water as opposed to outside the water? It is easy enough outside the water, but with the pressure on your lungs at the surface I find it hard to get a completely full breah in my breathe up.
BTW, I usually kick up until the last 15 or 20 feet when I am really positive and glide the rest of the way. Steve |
03-01-2006, 07:56 PM | #7 | |
Memeber What?
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: In the Middle of Fl
Posts: 3,797
|
Re: technique questions
A quote from Eric Y.
Quote:
|
|
03-01-2006, 09:56 PM | #8 | |
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Irvine, CA
Posts: 2,517
|
Re: technique questions
Quote:
|
|
03-01-2006, 10:16 PM | #9 |
Doug Reynolds
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Healdsburg, CA
Age: 75
Posts: 308
|
Re: technique questions
Our school principal demonstrated "packing" to an auditorium full of 7th, 8th, and 9th grade students 45 years ago. He was a polio survivor who'd been taught the tecnique in order to supply air to the lungs in the event that his diaphram became paralyzed.
He stood up on the stage and made a long series of gulping motions, noisily exhaled the result, and continued process for several minutes till he had the whole auditorium trying to bypass their diaphrams. I haven't had much success packing while diving. It seems like I'm hanging out at the surface too long for just a few more mouthfulls of air. |
03-02-2006, 12:46 AM | #10 |
Dry-Docked in Washington
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Tacoma, WA
Age: 53
Posts: 768
|
Re: technique questions
In my limited/untrained understanding, hyperventilating is a bad technique as it raises your heart rate. Kicking before you turn to dive would do the same, if I understand your technique correctly. Relaxing and lowering your heart rate is usually considered key for longer dives. Slow, controlled breathing is what I usually see reommended to lower your heart rate and achieve higher O2 saturation. Something like breathing in about 80% of your capacity in around 6 seconds, and then holding it for one second, and then exhaling for the same or slightly longer period of time.
As for the forceful exhaling, I've heard that called "purging". It is supposed to purge more of the CO2 from the nooks and crannies of your lungs. It is a double-edge sword if you're not careful though. Purging CO2 makes more room for fresh O2 on the next breath, but it will also put off your bodies desire to breathe until you are a little closer to swb. This is because your bodys need to breathe, that urge you feel, is NOT because of needing fresh O2. It IS because your body wants to get rid of CO2. So purging can be very useful, but personally I don't practice purging when diving alone. That's just one of my safety margins I try to leave when diving alone, even if it's a marginal benefit. Another thing you can practice with is the static apnea training tables that can be found on the internet. It employs 2 different types of breathing exercises to train for BOTH efficient use of O2 AND also CO2 tolerance. One set of practices you do increasingly longer breatholds with the same length of rest period in between. The other set you do the same length breatholds with a decreasing length of recovery in between. The program is totally customizable, you can set the time periods for whatever you want. I'll try to find the link, or, I actually have the program I downloaded back when it was a free download. It's the same one you'll find online. Any interested parties can pm me and I'll pass it along. All of what I have written above comes from what I have gleaned from others and then used myself, but I'm no pro by any means. So please do more research! But I guess that's what you're doing now. I hope if I have misstated anything that someone will correct me.
__________________
Chip Albright |
03-02-2006, 11:39 AM | #11 |
Registered User
|
Re: technique questions
from everything I've heard, static practices don't seem to do much for a spearo's bottom time.
Aerobic excersizes seem to be where its at. Getting your resting heart rate down. I have recently started running every day in hopes of lowering my h.r. Will post results as the season progresses.
__________________
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It turned out to be just a date and he ate my Cobia |
03-02-2006, 01:36 PM | #12 |
Justin
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: norcal
Posts: 1,729
|
Re: technique questions
There is a video of a guy doing a dive on this website http://www.freedivingimages.co.uk/
It looks like he kicks all the way up. His kicks have a lot more snap to them then mine. They seem to be gliding down. Last edited by seahunter; 03-02-2006 at 01:54 PM. |
03-03-2006, 05:50 PM | #13 |
Dry-Docked in Washington
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Tacoma, WA
Age: 53
Posts: 768
|
Re: technique questions
Statics aren't going to increase your fitness level, but will train your body as far as how it reacts during a breathold. You will learn a little more about you own limits as well. For dynamic training, any exercise done while holding your breath is great practice. Walking, jogging, just about anything will help. I like running up a set of stairs while holding my breath. There was mention in another thread that Tiger Woods said he sometimes holds his breath while walking around the golf course, to train himself for freediving. He has taken one of the Performance Freediving clinics! Remember that next time you see him at a tournament. He's out there sinking putts, while training for spearing!
__________________
Chip Albright |
03-03-2006, 09:48 PM | #14 | |
Doug Reynolds
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Healdsburg, CA
Age: 75
Posts: 308
|
Re: technique questions
Quote:
|
|
03-04-2006, 12:26 AM | #15 | |
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: San Clemente, CA
Age: 85
Posts: 39,140
|
Re: technique questions
Quote:
I can't begin to explain this, and I may be an unfortunate anomaly, but I just thought I'd mention it as evidence that there must be something more than low heart rate at work. |
|
Bookmarks |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | Rate This Thread |
|
|