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Old 03-16-2015, 07:45 PM   #1
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Picking out a new rear handle gun

So last year I upgraded from a Rob Allen 120 to a custom midhandle gun and since then I can't hit anything with it and don't have the confidence to take the same shots I did on the rob Allen gun that I learned to spear with. I knew there would be an adjustment period to chang from euro to midhandle but I didn't expect it to feel so forced and awkward for me to shoot.

So the question I have is now that I am thinking about buying a rear handle gun what are your recommendations, I am looking for something pretty high end and am deciding between an abellan denton 120, a bleutec carbon gun, or an aimrite gun. The gun will probably be rigged with a slip tip and breakaway system.

Oh and my accuracy issues on the midhandle have nothing to do with the quality of the gun, it has been shot by people who just shoot midhandles and they hit bullseye time and again with it.
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Old 03-16-2015, 07:49 PM   #2
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Go back to the Rob Allen that worked well for you?
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Old 03-16-2015, 08:16 PM   #3
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So last year I upgraded from a Rob Allen 120 to a custom midhandle gun and since then I can't hit anything with it and don't have the confidence to take the same shots I did on the rob Allen gun that I learned to spear with. I knew there would be an adjustment period to chang from euro to midhandle but I didn't expect it to feel so forced and awkward for me to shoot.

So the question I have is now that I am thinking about buying a rear handle gun what are your recommendations, I am looking for something pretty high end and am deciding between an abellan denton 120, a bleutec carbon gun, or an aimrite gun. The gun will probably be rigged with a slip tip and breakaway system.

Oh and my accuracy issues on the midhandle have nothing to do with the quality of the gun, it has been shot by people who just shoot midhandles and they hit bullseye time and again with it.
Want to improve target practice practice practice. Do not give up on your mid handle.

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Old 03-16-2015, 11:01 PM   #4
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Re: Picking out a new rear handle gun

what midhandle do you have ? it might just need to get ballasted and tuned in .
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Old 03-16-2015, 11:13 PM   #5
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i just looked at your older post and if this is the gun i built ,that you got from jack ,let me know , we may need to tune it in for your style
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Old 03-17-2015, 12:28 AM   #6
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Re: Picking out a new rear handle gun

Midhandle guns shoot differently and they might be inherently a little less accurate than rear handled guns (at least for me they are). Also going from floppered shaft to slip tip is a huge difference in impact point ... usually slip tips cause longer overhangs which make your impact point lower. Best is to test your setup on a static target and see where the impact point is at 1m then 3m and then 5m or 6m depending on the power of your gun. Midhandled guns have many advantages but they can also be difficult to get used to. A good well designed gun should be able to shoot straight ... but how high or how low the gun shoots can be very different from gun to gun especially when you factor in changes to shafts as well.
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Old 03-17-2015, 02:10 AM   #7
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Re: Picking out a new rear handle gun

I have shot a crapton of guns
nothing shoots as good as my bleutecs...
If they werent so damn expensive I would only shoot acids, raptors, and oceanborns.
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Old 03-17-2015, 04:20 AM   #8
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The Bluetecs are very nice guns and I really like the Raptor but to be honest I didn't like the Oceanborn. Way too much recoil and not very controllable. I only have the Oceanborn 125 and that comes with 4 x 14mm bands and I can't imagine shooting a 145 with 4 bands if the 125 already seems too much recoil. The 125 has 135cm band stretch and is setup to shoot a 160cm @ 8mm shaft ... there simply is no need for 4 bands @ 135cm band stretch for that shaft and probably 2 or at max 3 bands is all you need. I will play around with the setup a little more but for sure the first thing that needs looking at is the grip and setting it up with some morph plastic to absorb recoil a little better and this certainly is a 2 handed shooter and single handed shooting will probably lose a lot of power due to recoil and will also most likely shoot way left. Maybe the morph plastic will fix that a little but needs to be tested.

Another thing I didn't like was the line release on the gun. In one case I had a misfire which I figured was caused by too much tension on the line release from my breakaway bungee. I removed the pressure off the line release and a few seconds later the gun just shot by itself. Apparently if you have a little pressure on the line release and press the trigger the trigger will drop but the line release will still keep the shaft from shooting ... releasing the line release will then have a gun on a fired up fuse that can go off any time. Also the line release is welded on the gun with obviously not proper argon gas purging as it started rusting after only 2 dives. Stainless steel need proper gas around the weld during welding to avoid contamination which can cause a poor weld. Maybe these are small issues but they definitely need to be looked at.
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i just looked at your older post and if this is the gun i built ,that you got from jack ,let me know , we may need to tune it in for your style
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Old 03-17-2015, 09:48 AM   #10
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The Bluetecs are very nice guns and I really like the Raptor but to be honest I didn't like the Oceanborn. Way too much recoil and not very controllable. I only have the Oceanborn 125 and that comes with 4 x 14mm bands and I can't imagine shooting a 145 with 4 bands if the 125 already seems too much recoil. The 125 has 135cm band stretch and is setup to shoot a 160cm @ 8mm shaft ... there simply is no need for 4 bands @ 135cm band stretch for that shaft and probably 2 or at max 3 bands is all you need. I will play around with the setup a little more but for sure the first thing that needs looking at is the grip and setting it up with some morph plastic to absorb recoil a little better and this certainly is a 2 handed shooter and single handed shooting will probably lose a lot of power due to recoil and will also most likely shoot way left. Maybe the morph plastic will fix that a little but needs to be tested.

Another thing I didn't like was the line release on the gun. In one case I had a misfire which I figured was caused by too much tension on the line release from my breakaway bungee. I removed the pressure off the line release and a few seconds later the gun just shot by itself. Apparently if you have a little pressure on the line release and press the trigger the trigger will drop but the line release will still keep the shaft from shooting ... releasing the line release will then have a gun on a fired up fuse that can go off any time. Also the line release is welded on the gun with obviously not proper argon gas purging as it started rusting after only 2 dives. Stainless steel need proper gas around the weld during welding to avoid contamination which can cause a poor weld. Maybe these are small issues but they definitely need to be looked at.
You are correct on a few items about the gun but let's set a few things straight.
1. You did not have a missfire. You had excesive tension on the line release that did not allow sear to go down. When you squeezed the trigger you shot the gun so the moment you removed tension it was expected for the shaft to take off since it was not engaged at that point.

2. I agree on the line release being welded maybe with wrong materials and i will bring it up to their attention.

3. Even though gun comes by default with 8mm shaft the sweet spot is 7.25mm or 9/32 and 3 16mm bands. It is a light gun and with that setup a single hand shooter.

4. The 145 is a completely different gun and a single hand shooter as well, I am shooting on mine and most customers that bought it a 11/32 shaft with 4 or 5 16mm bands. The weight of that gun is 10-11lb depending on setup.
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Re: Picking out a new rear handle gun

To the OP so we don't derail this post either go back to the RA or if you are just looking for more power come over my shop to check out the Tea Sea spearguns or the Bleutecs. I might have what you are looking for.
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Re: Picking out a new rear handle gun

Ulusub is making a few of these.
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Old 03-17-2015, 01:02 PM   #13
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Re: Picking out a new rear handle gun

I have Rob Allen and Rabitech Stealth guns, they are very similar and accurate, I got 75kg and 64 kg Yellofin tunas with breakaway spear, with my 120barrel Rabitech. The drop head tip does not work so good-tried it
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so your first 2 posts since 2012 are on the same thread to pitch in for a brand?
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